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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2015.03.23 15:27:24 -
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Ulrik Elristan wrote:As a regular scout in w-space, I can only emphasize again Enta's point : removing this huge intel tool will be incredibly detrimental.
Maybe a half way meet between removing the full power of d-scan while allowing us at least some intel would be to have the possibility to see who and what is in the station once you're on grid with it.
A second concern I would have is timers : how do you intend to deal with the unavoidable station games that will come out of this ? As it is today, once you're out of the forcefield it is possible to bump you and keep you away. The way docking works, it will be much harder to get somebody out of docking range, and thus decrease the risk of undocking in a shiny ship.
considering they also want to add intel gathering deployables i think they can manage to find a balance at the same time you can see how active a structure has been based on its animation perhaps they can add to this by ensuring there is an animation only active when a player is docked
something like the docking bay light is on
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2015.03.23 15:31:16 -
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Joran Sothos wrote:I live in wormhole space.
The problem of intelligence is key.
Currently, supers cannot dock with an SMA of any size, so they are either always in space and visible, or logged off. Mooring doesn't affect them.
Capitals, though, CAN currently dock. Forcing them to stay out in space where they can be scanned is a HUGE boost to intel gathering (wormhole space or not).
I don't see why changing poses and how they work should penalize us. We should still be able to do after the patch what we can do before the patch.
Right now, there aren't a lot (any) details, so it's hard to give comments other than at the macro level. Show us some stats, and we can give better feedback.
I have lived in WH space for years you see this as penalizing us to be honest i see it as a new chalange and a change to the landscape WHs have gotten stale this will spice it up.
if this would put one group at more of a disadvantage than another then yes it would be a problem but it doesn't
if anything this can help to promote fights in lower class holes as i will know i'm not going to get 3 triage carriers warping in on me mid fight
at the same time it can make having caps riskier so if you don't need them groups may not build as many
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2015.03.23 15:55:44 -
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CCP Nullarbor wrote:Another element i want to throw in here is the idea of soft mooring which works a bit like the current POS shield so you can still move around and use dscan etc within range of the structure but you cannot target anything and you are invulnerable.
It is basically an area invulnerability effect around the station like a remote rep or similar. It allows you to warp to 0 or undock into relative safety.
You can of course be bumped unless you do a hard mooring or dock up.
Thoughts?
i like it at the very least at first people who are used to pos' use it as a transition later if needed it can be removed or it can stick around
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2015.03.23 16:00:15 -
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Suev Raylap wrote:
Basically not every structure that you can live in/out of should allow docking. Docking should be expensive and a commitment to deploy and maintain.
expensive is relative if you want it to be expensive for every one then the only ones that could afford it are just like now large groups
and i feel empowering smaller groups is better than forcing larger ones
that said no this should not just be something one guy could afford easily either
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2015.03.23 16:01:24 -
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John McCreedy wrote:What's the point of mooring? Genuine question this, not being funny. Why would I want to moor? Why am I doing this? It's not been explained what the reason behind wanting to do this is? To access cloning? To access fitting? Certainly not accessing the market since you're separating this from the main docking area? Why am I mooring? We can't debate the pros and cons of the idea without this question being
because you can't dock a supper but they are getting rid of the pos bubble so the need a replacement
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2015.03.23 16:04:43 -
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Alexandre Bellenger wrote:CCP Nullarbor wrote:
This is effectively just docking supers, protection with no intel is the same as docking, but maybe it's time to allow that?
I don't know why you don't just do this instead of making things difficult for yourself, code and balance wise, with mooring. Intel is the only thing gained over actually docking the super in the station as opposed to mooring. Everything else is the same; cyno into moor radius, mooring games, etc. Yes you get emergent gameplay like hellcamping the station but again, exactly the same as docking. Intel wouldn't be different to how it is now, with people logging off in POS's and their ships disappearing with them, and we seem to do just fine with super intel. Locator agents, killboards etc are all just as effective as seeing the actual super moored there on station, if not more so due to their range and ease. Of course docking supers is a big thing, so perhaps balance it with the introduction of your new station sizes. Stations require upgrades to go to your max size (ie 100km or so), and those upgrades simultaneously allow for supers and maybe titans to be docked. The majority of lowsec would not have these stations, save for a select few (hello emergent gameplay), which would prevent risk free travel of supers across Eve without proper preparation. /2c and the 2c of hundreds of super pilots
because then i can store a bunch of suppers rather than have limited space for them that is the reason the can' dock now
there would be a **** tone more suppers if we could store them as ships rather than components
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2015.03.23 16:08:52 -
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WarFireV wrote:I don't get the point of adding in more penalties to owning a super capital.
Why would anyone ever moor something ever? What am I getting from making my super vulnerable when I moor it, over just logging it off in deep space?
its for when you are logged on not off just like in a pos shield
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2015.03.23 16:19:40 -
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Antonia Iskarius wrote:1Robert McNamara1 wrote:Literally Space Moses wrote:1Robert McNamara1 wrote:Literally Space Moses wrote:Supers and titans can dock in CSMAs currently, so might want to rethink that point. But only if their fitting is in their cargo hold, correct? Same rules as say carriers or dreads stored in other SMAs. You can be fit, but stuff other than ammo in the cargo is a no-go, etc. Just no one does it because it's massively unsafe. Thanks for clearing that up. I read a fierce exchange on reddit that emphatically claimed it was impossible to put a fit super into a CSMA. I hate the idea of flying a space coffin so have no direct experience. Actually, they are both wrong. I am fairly certain you can have whatever you want in a super's cargohold, fleet hangar, and ship maint bay and the the super will still go into the CSMA.
no you can not have certain types of containers like a silo in the hold but yes most things are fine
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2015.03.23 16:26:54 -
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John McCreedy wrote:Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:John McCreedy wrote:What's the point of mooring? Genuine question this, not being funny. Why would I want to moor? Why am I doing this? It's not been explained what the reason behind wanting to do this is? To access cloning? To access fitting? Certainly not accessing the market since you're separating this from the main docking area? Why am I mooring? We can't debate the pros and cons of the idea without this question being because you can't dock a supper but they are getting rid of the pos bubble so the need a replacement I can log off at a safe in low sec. Can't be bubbled, can't be tackled. Take proper precautions and it'll be safer than mooring, especially if entire fleets log off in the same spot. What happens to my ship when I log off? Do I pop out of space? If I do pop out of space and I'm moored, can someone else moor at the same spot? How do they know I'm there? What happens if the structure I'm moored at is attacked? Am I suddenly vulnerable to being attacked with no hope of being able to escape or fight back because I'm not online? If I'm 'ejected' somewhere in the system, can I not simply be scanned down and attacked? How many mooring slots do we get? What happens to the rest of the fleet? What if we have more Supers than systems? What I'm getting at here is that mooring should be a short term solution to allowing you to 'dock' in order to access something you need to be able to access. CCP should not remove POS, POS should simply be restricted to being mobile deployable shields. There's too many unanswered questions and the whole thing as a long term solution opens a can of worms.
then its a good thing CCP isn't getting rid of the POS for a long time not till well after everything it does is replaced
i feel like this is something they need to re mention in this thread
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2015.03.23 16:29:47 -
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Elenahina wrote:Phoenix Jones wrote:Elenahina wrote:Phoenix Jones wrote: I'm actually of the opinion that the intelligence is fine. yes dscan will be spammed with hundreds of moored supers and capitals. The only thing I would suggest is that dscan show whether a super or cap is moored or not (probably too powerful, but there needs to be a way to filter the intel a little. We have this issue in wspace whenever someone has all their capitals just floating in a pos (its spam, we know they aren't running, and yes they are all unmanned. Its a bit spammy and hard to filter out.
There already is a way to filter them - the Mark I eyeball. In use for gathering accurate intel since 5000 BC. Except now we'll have to combat probe them down. If it was solely at a warpable celestial, fine. It won't be though. I don't see having to work in order to gather more accurate intelligence to be a problem.
there is going to be a lot of new intel given and a lot removed if you do live in WH space then you should be one of the best adapters in eve and yes we will adapt
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2015.04.12 11:31:17 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:MukkBarovian wrote:The new mooring mechanics are interesting and look cool.
They do not replace pos mechanics. If I cannot safely log off so that I can go on vacation or spend two weeks cramming for exams then you will lose some of my subscriptions. Please explain to me how a POS allows you to log off safely for two weeks. Then I will believe your argument has merit. Much as I do believe Moored ships should be safe and do an auto 'safe warp & log off' that can't be stopped if the structure is flipped. Otherwise people will just never use Mooring for more than 30 minutes. But I believe you are asking for something that a current POS does not provide.
not to mention since POS are still going to be around for a while after we can see how it works out and if needed a similar deployable to the current POS shield may need to be added
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2015.10.06 12:02:44 -
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Now that is been announced that suppers are going to be dockable. Has the station environment been altered so they don't clip out
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